Podcast Episode 355: How to Ditch the Mom Guilt and Imposter Syndrome and Make Something Unforgettable Transcripts

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Welcome to the No Guilt Mom podcast. I’m your host JoAnn Crohn with the lovely Brie Tucker. Yo, yo,

What’s up 2025! I’m excited.

We’re still trying it out. Here we are in March, still trying it out. If you want to read some feedback on her intro, remember you could come to the No Guilt Mom podcast Facebook group. Yes. Join us in there. Let us know how it’s going, if you have any ideas. If you Bri to do a special shout out for you, tell her some shout outs to do and then you can to her episode later on. Oh, I want to be in video. Yes.

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Join our podcast group. It’s in Facebook. It’s public. You can find it real easy, but we also have a link to the show notes and then tell me what you want me to say. It’ll be like the movie phone guy, you know.

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Like, in a world!

Where everything has gone black!

And then know if you give Brie any song lyrics, there will be extended singing on the podcast. Well, today we have such a fantastic episode for you all. We always here at No Guilt Mom talk about the need for unicorn time based on Eve Rodsky and her unicorn space. But it’s that time that you pursue a passion that is all yours, something that fulfills your larger purpose. And I feel like the woman that we have today has pursued her passion, turned it into a business even.

and is extremely successful at it. So I need to introduce her. Her name is Lisa Meyer. She’s the founder and CEO of Ceres Chill. She struggled to breastfeed and pump successfully while working, which prompted her to create Ceres Chill, which is a patented breast milk chiller thermos. And my gosh, could I have used this. And leave her job as an equity partner at an international law firm. She then became a breastfeeding advocate and has been featured on NBC.

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and motherly to name a few and now tries to manage the throws of raising two kids while running a growing company. And we hope you enjoy our conversation with Lisa.

INTRO MUSIC

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Welcome to the podcast Lisa. As we were just getting on, you mentioned your Christmas tree in the background and we’re recording late January.

It’s not hiding. It’s not hiding. It’s right there.

And I was saying you were like, it’s still up, it’s mid January. I’m like, okay, first of all, one year, I held the record of my family. I kept my tree up until mid March. So there’s that.

That is a record.

So this podcast is timely because you may still have your tree. Yes. Yeah.

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Could, yes.

And Joanne was saying how in your house the tree isn’t up late because your husband is all about like, nope, Christmas is over, it’s done. Is that right?

Yeah, my house, yeah, he doesn’t like the holidays. He doesn’t like the excess stuff around. likes his routine. likes it to look the same. And so he was the one who took down the tree and the lights and everything. And I’m like, awesome. Sounds good to me.

And in my

my family does complain at sometimes mainly my kids, my teenagers about the Christmas decorations, at least so you’ll have to tell me if you have this problem in your house. But it’s like an ongoing game of chicken. Everybody just stares at it and is like, if I stare long enough, someone else is going to get up and do it. See, it hasn’t happened yet. This

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This is the thing, like Joanne talking about her husband and the game of chicken. It’s like these guys who are just like, it’s cluttering up my space. I’m going to get it down. When I stare at it, it is for those handful, and I mean very brief moments in the pre-dawn and post-sunset hours. yeah, it’s beautiful. sipping tea or a glass of wine and I am just basking in the glow of the

the nothingness and the gentle, gentle light of the tree. you know, I stare at it, but it’s not really a game of chicken. It’s more like the little bit of solitude I have where I can, you know.

Well, in my game of chicken, it’s that nobody else will put it away. We’re all waiting to see who’s going to get up and do it first. So I don’t know. Maybe I should let this go. It’s good social experiment in our household, but it is.

Maybe you should let it go. Yeah.

I wonder how long it can go.

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That’s going to be the update in the Facebook group. There you go. We should have a weekly or daily photo of the area where the tree exists and maybe one day it will be gone.

You become our content coordinator. Like Joe, I, I not great at that. That’s a, I’m like, there’s a story right there.

And it’s real low pressure, It’s just a cell phone snapshot from the couch where I would be sipping my tea or my wine. I’d be like, look, it’s March 18th, and I’m enjoying the gentle clow of the Christmas tree.

We could do those proof of life photos where you hold up the date of something and you’re

Newspapers.

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was gonna say like, it’s hard to find a newspaper these days.

It would be the cell phone, the lock screen. You’d be like, hey, give me your phone. And you hold up the lock screen right there where it says the date. And then you can be like, yeah, that’d be great.

It’s the modern proof of life.

Exactly. Well, Lisa, I’m excited to talk with you about your company and how you created it because when I was researching you and found that this was a breast melt chiller thermos, I’m like, my gosh, how many women can benefit from this because

Small correction, Joanne, real quick. It’s actually a wine chiller that you can use to keep breast milk and formula safe. You can show an entire bottle of wine in less than 20 minutes without diluting it. What? Or.

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That is, okay, wait a minute, Lisa. You are the epitome of a mom inventor because mom would never create something that can only have one use.

Yes.

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You can use it for coffee, tea, a bottle warmer, entire bottle of wine chiller. And if you need to pump directly into it, feed your baby directly from it, you can also chill formula and breast milk.

Oh my gosh, it is multipurpose for other liquids like wine. I need one of those actually for my day to day. mean, my kids are like, so there is no breast milk need anymore, but she’s not breastfeeding, unfortunately.

Buy that

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Your sister who just had a baby.

formulae.

of formula.

Formula, wine, coffee, Joanne, feel like I’m not doing a good job. That you’re not hearing me and the ads are not.

Everything. Yes, yes, yes. I want to back up because I said my sister’s not breastfeeding, unfortunately. That is not a judgment thing at all on breastfeeding. is, I say unfortunately, because she really, really wanted to breastfeed and her daughter was born with a cleft palate. She has been corrected now, which is great, but because of that, breastfeeding wasn’t an option because she couldn’t latch. That’s why I said it.

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Yeah, no, no. What I love about this podcast and why I was so excited is because I love the conversations you guys have. And I felt like you guys would not shame me for saying that I still carry around a ton of guilt about not breastfeeding my daughter exclusively or in the way I wanted to. So my daughter’s 10, my son is now 6. And it was with my son that I was determined to be successful. And I

It’s so awful, but I carry around so much extra guilt because I was successful with him and I wasn’t with her. And so I feel like, I just didn’t have enough discipline or enough will or enough something to make it work for her. But I will say on the topic of guilt, not to get too excited and interrupt, but this is like maybe something that will be helpful to their parents. So the twisted things that moms do to themselves, and I am

double guilty of it in so many ways is you always, I think in good and bad ways. So as a CEO, I always look to myself, like how, how is how I’m showing up in the world, not having the impact that I want? Like, how can I do better for my team or for moms all over the world? Like, what is it that I’m doing? Cause if you just push it off on somebody else, it’s really hard to solve the problem. If you take responsibility for it,

You can come from a place of like, so what’s next? How do I solve this? But with moms, it can be destructive, which is why you guys have the podcast. With my daughter, she developed seizures when she was four out of the clear blue sky. Like out of nowhere. thanks, Bree. was devastating. It’s like too strong. But it was so, you just feel so powerless. And it’s really, really scary. And she’s four.

right? And so she had focal seizures, which were misdiagnosed as night terrors that progressed to a grand mal seizure over several hours. Pediatrician totally dismissed me. The emergency room got it wrong. We ended up going to Seattle Children’s Hospital and they got it right. But no history of seizures in our family whatsoever. Nothing to indicate this would happen. And here I am holding this tiny three month old baby.

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at my daughter’s bedside at Seattle Children’s. I’m like, okay, so what about this guy? Like, what’s going on? they did, know, MRI, shouldn’t have a brain tumor. Thankfully medication worked. And they’re like, no, like not him. Like there’s no history. This just happens. Like it’s totally random. So of course, and this story will be quick, swear. Mom guilt kicks in. I’m like, it’s because I didn’t breastfeed her. That’s what it is. It’s like,

I, she was not sleeping well. She was, you know, struggling with her dad being gone because he was deployed, like all these things. I’m like, it was like, she wasn’t, you just look for reasons and like how you could solve it. And I’m like, well, it was probably all that formula I forced down her throat. Well,

It’s so interesting you say this though, Lisa, because I had a similar thing to you. Like I did not breastfeed my daughter. I made it to maybe a month and I could not take it. Like the latch was painful. Everything I switched to formula to which I think was the best decision of my entire life because I slept. My husband could take over feedings and all that. With my son, I wanted to try it again. I wasn’t working with him. I took a year off of my teaching job at the time.

and I had a group around me because I went to Bradley childbirth classes, even though he ended up being a C-section because he was breech. And so I had these group of women who we were all breastfeeding at the same time and they were the ones who actually were able to keep me going because I had someone like I could talk with my struggles with and all sorts of things. My daughter, now 16, really pretty healthy, never had much of an issue. My son, we’ve had a hospital visit with.

We’ve had all of these things and he was the breastfed one. He was the one I put everything into. It’s stories we tell ourselves as moms. Then I’m like, well, what if I gave him my anxiety and what if I gave him all of this in my trouble because I gave him all the breast milk and I should have gave him the formula instead where he didn’t have this. Anyway you work it, we’re always at fault.

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So my son ended up having seizures at four, the exact same timeline. And they never saw it coming. And that little stinker, I breastfed him through COVID. I have an entire company built around breastfeeding. He is the inspiration. He is the prince of breastfeeding empire and seizures. Same, same, same timeline. They have no idea. There’s no genetic history, nothing. So yeah. So, did you have anything that you like, you like between your two kids, you’re like,

Yeah. Breastfeeding thing.

do actually, I am just holding all my little stories right here and I am going to pluck them out of Bree’s brain right after this break.

Okay, so yeah, I have a lot to add to this, okay.

So I have so much to bring into this and Joanne knows it too. First of all, let me just say Lisa, your story about your kids with the seizures. I feel like I can empathize because my nephew had that and my sister, my middle sister who she just has one kiddo and it was a hard pregnancy. It was a really hard delivery. was, you know, he was tongue-tied. So she had breastfeeding issues and all of that.

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So I can tell you that when the seizures popped up out of nowhere, she was like, what did I do wrong? What can we do differently? And it was the exact same thing. we don’t know why some people just have it. Maybe he needs more sleep. Maybe it’s that. And then he’s been on meds and flash forward. Now he’s 13 and he hasn’t had any seizures in a couple of years. So he’s doing much better. But it was the same like who knows what’s going on kind of story. And my guilt comes from my first one. I had an eventful pregnancy and

I, okay, epitome of crazy thinking that you can impact things, here was mine. I ended up having placenta previa that was not really fully diagnosed in the beginning. They were like, oh, it’s just a partial. Anyway, flash forward, like I went into actual labor with him when I was 27 weeks, well, 21, and then again at 27. And at 27, it was full log.

contractions and everything and they tried to stop the labor and they weren’t successful in it in the very beginning. So they wanted to put me on a helicopter to life flight me to another hospital that had a NICU that could handle it. I refused to sign the waiver to get in the helicopter. And why? Well, because

Bree worked in special needs, and I was certain that if I got in that helicopter, my kid was going to have cerebral palsy. So I was like, the one gift I could give my child is I am not going to have him have a brain bleed or anything by not getting in the helicopter. Yeah. While I’m in preterm labor. Like, it was bad. was bad. the doctors were talking in front of me about how to get my husband to sign for me, because they were like, she’s not in her right mind.

man. It’s all those guilt cases that really like get to you as a mom. like Lisa, I’m interested to know like, so you’ve had all of this breastfeeding like thoughts in your head about what you could affect. What led you then to create your product? What was that?

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I know. So I love the intro where you’re like, and then she decided to take on this business and all this stuff, but it really was the mom guilt piece. being part of your guys’s podcast is what makes me so aware of it. It, it all, the whole company comes from mom guilt. I, well, and wanting to be successful, feeling that like that push pull of

be showing up and being a successful attorney and who I was before, and then also being a mom. It’s impossible to do both those things at the same time to hold 100 % in both spheres, which you guys know, and you talk about a lot.

I invented Ceres Chill because I could not be successful as an attorney and still breastfeed. And a big part of that was me having to travel. So I don’t know if I told you guys, but I threw away thousands of ounces of breast milk. because there was no way to travel, no way to accomplish all the things that I needed to as an attorney and show up as a parent and breastfeed.

either of my kids. because coolers last six to eight hours, right? So those soft sided disgusting coolers. And when I went back to work with my son, I was like, I knew exactly what I needed. So I was so proud of myself that I showed up with my pump parts and I did breastfeeding him and I pumped and I’ve got the milk lined up and I worked with pretty much all men. And I’m like, well, this is poor execution. What do I do with this breast milk? I have a full day of work. I have a commute to get home.

And I’m like, I need the breast milk thermos thing. Clearly, that’s what I need. This was back in October of 2018. I could almost show you the email I was writing at the time that this occurred to me. And yeah, I looked for it, couldn’t find it, figured out that I needed to be the one to create it. But it wasn’t, I think I have a lot of like really, I hate that term imposter syndrome, but it really aligns, I think with mom guilt.

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that I wasn’t successful with my daughter and that the product came out of me wanting to be a successful person with my son. That I wasn’t willing to compromise on breastfeeding him, but I really wasn’t willing to compromise or be embarrassed or be shut out of the good old boys club that I had managed to win a place in.

And so I needed to find a way and a lot of people like really are confronted by the fact that it’s like, Ceres chill. It’s so discreet and you can use it for all these things and you can have it on your desk or at a conference and nobody is the wiser. It’s not to say anybody should be embarrassed about breastfeeding or about their priorities as a breastfeeding parent, but it’s just not always something you want to lead with, right? It’s not necessarily like,

the first thing you want people to see, like those guys be like, wow, you’re actively lactating. That milk came from your breasts.

I’m you.

I’m going to leave until you’re done with your whole lactation situation. How many months? How many months are we talking? So yeah, it’s funny. So I’m really proud of the company. I am surrounded by phenomenal moms, dads, aunts, grandmas. We have quite the team now. I did it by myself for as long as possible, providing for my family and building the company up.

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Yeah, it’s sometimes very strange for me to be identified as this person that has saved people’s breastfeeding journeys. And I love that. And I am so proud of what we do as a company every day. But at the same time, I’m like, I’m such a fraud. Like, I failed my daughter. what? I like, yes.

And we’re like, of the love for allowing you to get it all out, we have desperate things that we want to add of saying, tell your Bob to go shove it in your head. It’s not being fair. Hey Lisa, isn’t he?

gonna dig into your imposter syndrome too, because I think so many women experience that and we’re gonna do that right after this. So Lisa, you’re talking a lot about your imposter syndrome and you say you hate the word, but I think it really, really describes a lot of what moms are thinking. Like I think the same thing about myself. I was just sharing this morning how like I got this person to say yes, to be on our podcast.

And then I’m like, she’s only said yes because she’s being nice to me. She really doesn’t want to do it. And then she won’t follow up and then she won’t book. then she went like all of these things we could go into that really prevent us from doing the things we need to do. So like I was wondering, like, since you had this imposter syndrome, did you also have this imposter syndrome and that you could create a product to help with this? Or was that kind of non-existent?

Yeah, no, I think for sure. And what I would love for everyone who’s listening to Takeaway is that you can be a very real person with a ton of mom guilt or imposter syndrome or whatever it is we want to, whatever label we want to assign to it. You can be all of those things and still end up on the other side of it with

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I would say two incredibly healthy, happy kids and a business that helps parents all over the world. yes, I would say 100%. What I think I have in spades is I grew up on a farm and with only brothers, like very isolated, like no little girlfriends running around to like hang out and play dolls with.

I was just trying to keep up with my parents and my chores and my brothers. And then in college, I was on a men’s team. I was a coxswain for the men’s crew team. Yeah. And then when I was, I was in politics and government and I was, I went to law school late. And then I ended up in the DA’s office in Philadelphia as a prosecutor and then in an international firm.

What?

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with a bunch of guys. It was a department that was pretty much all cowboys, real great trial gunslingers. so I think-

a slacker right now I gotta tell you man I’m like whoo

But it’s a lot. You guys create such a great community and good energy. And I think that’s what it is, is I definitely was like, not totally fake it till you make it, but it was like, you had to front a certain way. Like guys do a great job of being like, I don’t think you know all the shit I got done in the last couple hours. But if I don’t. Yeah. But if I don’t tell you who will.

I do.

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Right? And that’s the truth. And women are terrible about it. I will say, I love your guys’ podcast and the community you’ve created. Women have a hard time bragging about themselves. And society has a really hard time hearing women brag about themselves. So what works really well is having someone, whether it’s another woman or another guy, be like, my gosh, I don’t know if you’ve met Lisa Myers, but she’s such a badass.

You have no idea the things she’s accomplished. Like, let me give you a real quick rundown. And then that person’s like, wow, Lisa, that’s insane. That’s so great. I’d love to hear more about that. And you’re like, yeah, mean, Phil’s such a great guy to say it. He’s done a lot too. And then all of a sudden you’re having this conversation about everything you’ve accomplished. But if I walked up and I’m like, I don’t think you understand what a big deal I am, they’re like,

They’re books. My apartment smells of rich mahogany.

I smoke cigars every evening.

You bring up such a good point because I have seen that too, Lisa, in that you can’t really talk about the like bragging things that you’ve done without other people being like, how nice for you. She’s such a sh- Basically, you know what? I’ve had to have Chat Cheapie T write my bio because I can’t brag about myself.

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Show off.

She’s such a

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You can it. She knows it.

She knows that like I was I was actually just like impressed that chat GPT knew who I was I was like, my god

Yes, but you talk about this imposter syndrome, how you need to have other people really— I don’t want to say this word, but it’s like legitimize you as a woman.

I think what I would say, so I’m not trying to step on you, but like it feels like legitimizing, but I think it’s like we have a lot of body dysmorphia, like a lot of person dysmorphia. And what I have said, especially for moms who are going out on maternity leave, coming back, something that I have really, really pushed, and I’m so glad that this is where the conversation went, is to

write your resume before you go out of maternity leave. Yes! Yeah, thanks, Bri. It feels like busy work. And it’s the last thing you feel like you need to be doing, because you’re like, oh my gosh, I’m trying to get my team caught up on the things. Whether you’re doing shift work or you’re an executive, you’re in the survival mode, right? Yeah.

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doing your resume, even if you never had a resume before, you never had that history, doing your resume and talking about your skills before you become this other person and you’re on the other side of being a mom, I think it’s so important that we realize who we are before and everything we’re capable of and then that on the other side of being a mom, we’re not less than, we’re more than.

taken all of these skills and all of this experience before, and then we’ve added to it. Not that we’re just this hot mess that can’t do our job anymore because we don’t have enough sleep and we have these other priorities. No, we’re masters of multitasking. Sleep has become irrelevant in some ways, and we see things through because we have more perspective. So,

Yeah, I am a big advocate for people updating their resume because it’s when you put it down on paper and when you think about presenting it to someone else, always, whenever I look at my resume, I’m like, wow. Yeah.

Wow. You look at it and you’re like, oh, that looks very impressive. So why would I feel this way about myself?

Right? Like I can see why putting that time in before you have a couple of things that happen. Like you said, like first of all, let’s just all acknowledge the fact that pregnancy brain is a thing and it doesn’t go away. It often gets worse with the lack of sleep during the minimum first year of stress.

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Good. Stress, depression, lack of sleep, and just general.

So you’re gonna have to work extra hard to remember the tasks that you were doing and how they were important. But the other thing, like you already said, is that we go through this thing. I mean, there’s a reason there’s the baby blues and the postpartum, because we go through these changes and we’re not sure of ourselves anymore. So trying to find tasks that we did to put into your resume to, like you said, talk about.

Giving yourself the validation that you deserve for the hard work you have done is a hard thing to do when you’re in that state of mind of just having had your kid.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Understanding your value.

Understanding your value, absolutely. There was a, gosh, don’t even know. I can’t even tell you the resource for this quote, but it was basically like, you can’t really think yourself to act in a certain way, but you can act yourself out of your thoughts. I can’t remember it now, and it was so good. But basically, Lisa, all this conversation around how we feel about ourselves, imposter syndrome that you have felt along your journey.

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It’s evident that you’ve taken specific actions regardless of what you’re thinking in your head. Has the success now that you’ve seen for a series chill and having your own company and being able to transition from law to a product and to a business, has that changed any of your thoughts at all about imposter syndrome or caused you to look back at it any differently?

I’d love to be like, Yes, yes, today I’m different than I was before. But you know what, I think I am a very determined person and I’m incredibly practical. I appreciate, I think the great part of this conversation is it’s in the conversations and seeing ourselves reflected in other people, whether it’s you guys and the community you’ve built or the parents we’re helping every day.

I think if you are able to see your reflection, not in a mirror or scale or the assumption about how you’re showing up for your kids, like all of the guilt that comes with that, but like a real reflection and a conversation, I think that that’s when you really have an understanding of your value in the world. So I just have to say that I appreciate this because,

I sometimes, you know, get nervous and overwhelmed, you know, appearing on a podcast, and this is such a cool, fancy podcast. But, yeah, so I would say I usually, to answer your question, Joanne, suck at that. But it’s being reminded that these are the conversations to be having and to keep those relationships up and to be able to receive not just the criticism,

but the five-star reviews, not just the one-star reviews. I tend to look for the one-star reviews, right? But it’s the thousands of five-star reviews that matter. Those moms took that time to write a really long story about how their breastfeeding journey was saved by, whether it’s our nipple shields or it’s the chiller. Those should matter more than…

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You know, somebody saying that you’re really nice or you look really good today should matter a lot more than like, you sloppy woman that cut me off in traffic. It’s like, what? You don’t even know me. Like you, you’re having a bad day. Like that shouldn’t be what I hold onto for the next year. so yeah. So I don’t know if that answered your question, but no, I’m not good at it, but yeah, being part of conversations like this makes all the difference. And so I think that’s why.

we should all keep having them and being part of communities like this, where we’re hearing about each other’s weaknesses and being reminded of our strengths and that we don’t see ourselves accurately all the time and usually to the detriment of our, our own happiness and accurate self-perception.

So this isn’t gonna sound like a compliment, but it really is a compliment that just hearing that you still have those imposter syndromes and those thoughts makes me feel better because it’s still have them. Like it’s a normalization of that feeling that those feelings and those thoughts don’t have to go away for you to go and do something big in your life. You just go and do the big thing and you deal with those thoughts as they arise, even if like,

Like, you could, you could stop.

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They’re telling you you suck. That’s not the way, like, it’s not going to change anything.

Right? Because so many of us think that, like, once you become really good at XYZ or once you’re successful at XYZ, everything’s going to be easy. It looks so easy for you. You never have these struggles. Like, when we’re looking at other people from the outside in, we’re seeing it through that lens that they’re presenting. And you can’t be constantly, well, I mean, I suppose you could, but I don’t think you’d be a great salesman if you were constantly like, try my product.

It’s okay, I think. What do you think? I think it’s good. Is it good? Good. But then it makes you be like, all right, so I don’t have to, Joanne works with me on this one a lot. It doesn’t have to be perfect to have it be put out. And I get stuck in the, I’m not as good as so-and-so at this. I’m not able to handle this. And so that must mean I suck.

think it’s good.

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If I didn’t do this podcast until I was prepared, we would not have this conversation ever.

Yeah

There we go. That would be us too. This podcast would never get produced if we tried to have everything done perfectly.

It’s all about like taking those little imperfections and almost like my whole philosophy is to find humor in the imperfections. Just like, gosh, I was editing a video I was putting on YouTube that’s set to go this Monday. But while I was editing the video, did it while I was sick. I’m getting over a sickness right now. You could tell I look sick in the YouTube video. And halfway through the video, I’m doing something emphatically.

and unbeknownst to me while I’m filming, my lower lip, which is covered in red lipstick, hits my teeth. And like there’s a red lipstick stain on my teeth. Red lipstick. Man. And so what do you do with that when you have those imperfections? I went with it. I recorded this little like behind the curtain thing about how I got so mad. I did like a slow-mo motion of the actual thing happening.

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And then I did have to cover it up with some pictures while I was filming, while I was doing like the rest of it until it rubbed off and it did rub off my teeth eventually. But like you take those instances and you have to just roll with it because if we waited for something perfect, nothing would happen.

Yeah.

And it wouldn’t be relatable and it wouldn’t matter nearly as much the rest of the world like I think 90 % of the time people love seeing me as a disaster not in a ha ha like, you know what a mess she is but like wow, like how relatable and She’s like she’s clearly struggling to you. Yeah, so

I love the conversation you guys create because it does, I think it creates a lot of peace and opportunity for people to be, especially moms, to be their best selves.

Yep, just put your imperfection out in the world. So with that, Lisa, what we like to ask this of every guest because it’s so great to stay focused on the things that make you happy that you’re looking forward to. So what are you looking forward to right now in your life?

Speaker 1 (36:22.486)

I get to say that I’m also scared to death of it. So the year is in front of us and we did as a company 49 conferences last year. So I, I know I went to a lot of them, but it’s like the American Academy of pediatrics and it’s, you know, international lactation conferences and they’re all important. It’s like, how do you choose? I will say I am looking forward to, and I’m an introvert.

which you may find surprising, can play the part of an extrovert very well, but it exhausts me and I will psychoanalyze

Roll extra.

of an actor on Yeah, yeah, really well. I have to say. very well. But what I will say is that, so my son is dyslexic and I was at the American Academy of Pediatrics Conference in Orlando last October and I feel guilty about every time I leave them. I am a good mom when I’m here and they do say they miss me and but they’re not.

on TV.

Speaker 1 (37:31.808)

really, they’re my kids, so they don’t have a whole lot of emotion caught up in it. They just like say it plainly. Yeah. But I found this phenomenal company that helps with dyslexia and helps children at young and older ages. And they have been like the TED talk that I watched from the founder, like everything they’ve done. And so what I love

what I’m looking forward to is doing a better job of the little moments. So driving them to school and that I let my daughter who’s 10 be the DJ. She picks out the songs. I let my son talk about like Transformers and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and like all of the episodes he’s watched and he stretches them out into painfully long narratives. But finding opportunities to be a good mom when

I felt I was a bad mom before. So whether it’s at a conference and finding a resource that will help my kids or like sharing something with my daughter who speaks Spanish and we have series till Espanol and I’m so proud that we have a Spanish community. And I’m like, translate it for me. Like tell me what she said. I don’t know what she said, but it’s about like what we’re doing. And so she’ll like, be like, I don’t know. And I’m like, try harder.

Try harder. But yeah, so I think I’m looking forward to doing a better job of finding those like small moments and then really, really acknowledging them and soaking them up and doing a little less of this stuff that we’ve talked about that probably gets in the way of wild success as a founder and as a mom, because it’s like those things that I think they’re going to remember. It’s those things that I think we remember as kids.

They definitely do. do. Well, Lisa, it has been wonderful talking with you all about the mom guilt, the imposter syndrome, and your fabulous, fabulous product series, And we’ll talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (39:34.478)

absolutely loved getting to talk to Lisa and I cannot wait. The whole time she’s talking, I’m like, my God, you and JoAnn are so similar and that would make, but wait, but that brings her into our little triangle of friendship. Whereas like, love her. She’s so awesome and probably because she reminds me a lot of you.

Until next time, remember, the best mom’s a happy mom. Take care.

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