Podcast Episode 299: Solving Your Daycare Dilemmas: The Whole Truth About Daycare Transcripts

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[00:00:00] JoAnn Crohn: My main trigger about the whole daycare thing is that moms are under so much stress and that the idea that you have to pick one or the other in many situations and you can’t make an option that’s good for both mom and child together. Welcome to the No Guilt Mom Podcast. I’m your host, Joanne Krohn, joined here by the lovely Brie Tucker.

[00:00:23] Brie Tucker: Why, hello, hello, everybody. How are you? 

[00:00:27] JoAnn Crohn: We are doing this episode on daycare. Do or don’t. 

[00:00:34] Brie Tucker: Yes! Exactly. I was calling it the Great Daycare Debate, but I do think that daycare do or don’t. Or don’t. What’s, what are your thoughts on that? 

[00:00:41] JoAnn Crohn: Discuss. There’s so much mom guilt around daycare. Oh my god, there is. So much mom guilt around daycare. Um, and Brie and I are going to be going into our stories and the stories we’ve heard from other people, but like, I have to tell you on a personal note, like both of my kids went into daycare. More so than my son, because my son, I stayed home, but both were in daycare. Um, and even though I was like a work at home parent, he went to daycare for very many good reasons.

Um, and I’m going to get into those during this episode, but we’re also going to examine like the pros and cons. Because if right now, like you look back at your choices and you’re like, Oh, was that a good idea? Was that a bad idea? I see like so many women making decisions. I see other women actually shaving.

[00:01:28] JoAnn Crohn: People for making decisions to put kids in daycare as you do to 

[00:01:32] Brie Tucker: Brie. Oh, yeah Yeah, we see it all the time and a lot of times I have to be honest with you I don’t even think that people realize that they’re doing it. Yeah, they’re saying their feelings and they’re not Realizing that the way they’re articulating it or that what their feelings are is judging those who chose an opposite option 

[00:01:51] JoAnn Crohn: mm 

[00:01:51] Brie Tucker: hmm and It gets really sticky.

So yeah, we’re here to, we’re here to alleviate the do’s and the don’ts. Yes. We’ll share our experience, but we’re here to say, whatever you choose, it’ll be okay. 

[00:02:03] JoAnn Crohn: Yeah. So let’s get on with the show. Welcome to the no guilt mom podcast.

[00:02:40] JoAnn Crohn: Okay, so talking about this daycare thing, there was a member in our balance community who said that I don’t want to put my child in daycare because I don’t want somebody else raising my kids. And I feel that that is something that is said a lot in kind of the cons against daycare. Yep. That, oh, like, I didn’t have [00:03:00] kids for someone else to raise them.

Oh, yeah. And I’m like, okay, so we need to go back a little bit in story land. 

[00:03:07] Brie Tucker: And I feel like not even, to even make that a bigger problem, I feel like I see it a lot in the, um, and I’m not trying to diss, so I’m going to say that right now. If my words don’t come out correctly, I sincerely apologize. I am not trying to like say anything negative towards anybody, but I do feel like that is a big message in the whole trad mom set up.

It is. Like, I don’t, nobody, oh, trad wives, yeah, I don’t, I don’t let, I don’t want other people to raise my kids. You know, why would I buy food that was made by other people when I can make it myself? Yeah, I’m glad that works for you, but 

[00:03:43] JoAnn Crohn: I I have to say like my view on this is totally different because okay I think some people go into parenting thinking that they’re gonna raise their kids in their image So it’s like little mini me’s and I go into parenting not thinking that at all I do not think that I am the be all end all [00:04:00] of all knowledge of all values like I Want my kids to be exposed to the world.

I want them to know all of these different cultures. I want them to know how different people react, because I think that’s how you build empathy is you need to know other people’s situations before you can be completely empathetic towards them else. Like it’s just this nameless face or scenario that happens and you will have.

[00:04:27] JoAnn Crohn: No understanding nor personal connection to them. So like, for instance. I knew daycare was going to be on our, on our plate as soon as I had kids because I, I need to have a purpose outside of my family. I am ambitious. I get overloaded sensory wise and mentally. And I, Even though I love big groups of kids, being home alone and having to react to one child’s needs all the time would just drive me off the deep end.

So my daughter, like I stayed home with her for three months, which is, you know, 12 week unpaid leave from my teaching profession. Yep. You know, thank goodness they just held my job for me and they gave it back. I didn’t get paid. At all. 

[00:05:12] Brie Tucker: But like you said, at least they held it, man. That’s another 

[00:05:14] JoAnn Crohn: story.

[00:05:15] Brie Tucker: Yeah. Yeah. That’s a whole other episode. That’s another story. 

[00:05:18] JoAnn Crohn: Whole other episode. At least it was 12 weeks. I mean, some people don’t even get that. Right. They get six. Right. Some people don’t even get that. Yeah. Some people get, like, a couple weeks. A couple weeks, if that. But, uh, my daughter then at three months went to go stay with my mother in law, um, until she was six months old.

And then we did a one week at mother in law’s, and like when she was sick, and then. Other time in daycare. And the way I found daycare was I’m a teacher. So I knew about the national association for early childhood education. Yep. They go around and they accredit daycares that follow their standards. And I, I agreed with their standards.

And I looked for daycares in my area that [00:06:00] had those. And so I found one, it was the Jewish community center daycare. Um, Barnett JCC, right next to my old house, right next. Yes. Went there too. Yeah. And my daughter. Thrived in that environment. Like when I picked her up from daycare, it was like, these people were like my second, like parenting partners, like they would fill me in on what she did during the day.

Uh, Diana, I remember Diana there. They would like, she would fix my daughter’s hair for her. Like, and as like an addition. My daughter got to like play and interact with all these other kids. So starting from six months old, she was already starting to socialize with all these other playmates, um, and learn how to operate independently from me, which I think is really important for kids to be able to do.

In addition to that, she got to learn so many Jewish customs. Like [00:07:00] she over on the holidays, she was singing like, um, the dreidel, dreidel, dreidel songs. And like, um, oh gosh, Sammy, the spider, I think. And we learned so many things through my daughter and through. Them sharing this culture with her Uh, I mean they had friday They had a hollow bread on fridays and my daughter became a big fan of hollow bread like All of these things she was exposed to all of this different stuff.

It was a It was a great experience and I feel like it really helped me too because I knew that she was safe. She was taken care of. She was happy and I can concentrate on teaching and helping other kids reach that same state. And it wasn’t that they were raising my child, they were helping me raise my child in a collective way.

Yeah. And bring her experiences that I could not myself bring her. That was a really great thing. [00:08:00] Yeah, that’s fantastic. 

[00:08:02] Brie Tucker: So I would say my experience was similar and yet different. So first of all, fun fact, um, I’m doing the math in my head while you’re talking, and I’m pretty sure we both had a kid at the JCC at the same time.

[00:08:20] JoAnn Crohn: Oh, really? Yeah. 

[00:08:21] Brie Tucker: Yeah. I’m pretty sure. That’s funny. Cause like, again, like. Did you remember Diana? Did you remember her? No, no, no. Because we’re not talking about, we’re not talking about my youngest. We’re talking about my oldest. Oh, your oldest. My oldest went there. But, I digress. I’ll come back to that. So, um, I knew that when I had kids, I wanted to stay home with them again.

Remember my, my career was early childhood, so I absolutely loved the zero to five age range. That was my, that was my jam. And my first pregnancy was super, super eventful. So I was on bedrest and hospitalized for a lot of it. So that ate up a lot of my time is the point of [00:09:00] that story. So by the time I had my kiddo, I did still have a I think three months of, uh, time home with him, but realize I hadn’t been at work for, I think the last time I went to work, I was 21 weeks pregnant.

After that I was on bed rest or in and out of the hospitals after that. So like I never made it back to work. And I think that that had a role in this where I’m going. So by the time, um, my son was like, you know, almost three months, it was time for me to go back to work. And I went back to work for her.

Two weeks, I think, maybe? And I was like, I can’t do this. I can’t do this. First of all, my job was almost an hour drive from my house. When you, when you dealt with traffic, yeah, when you dealt with traffic and I was breastfeeding. So you’ve heard the stories of how I created, I, at that time they didn’t have like the breast pump holders.

So I created one out of an old bra and I would pump while driving in [00:10:00] Phoenix traffic on the way to and the way home from work. I was, I was not breastfeeding 

[00:10:04] JoAnn Crohn: by the way, my daughter, she was on formula. Yeah. 

[00:10:07] Brie Tucker: So like, so I had, I had a lot of that going on and then, but the funny part too is that while I was on maternity leave.

My, I was a program coordinator for early intervention and my assistant program coordinator filled in for me while I was gone and when I came back, she was a little stressed out, but okay, yeah, still fine. And when the two weeks came up, I remember that same day us sitting down and talking to each other and I’m like, listen, I got to tell you, I can’t do this.

I have a meeting with Kay, our boss. I have a meeting with Kay at two and I’m just gonna, I gotta tell her I quit. I can’t do this. And she goes, No, I was gonna quit and I’m like wait what and then we found out that both of us were like cuz she didn’t live Too far from me. So she also had almost an hour commute into the office And she’s like Brie when I took on this job I had worked part time for years and then coming in and dropping in full [00:11:00] time She’s like it and the other thing too is you got to remember none of us expected me to have to leave work so soon so She thought she still had a couple of months to get up to being ready for full time work when I had to drop out because of my eventful pregnancy.

[00:11:13] Brie Tucker: So anyway, then we were like arguing over who got to go to our boss first to quit. And so we came in together. It was just like, okay, we hate to do this to you, but we both got to quit. And she’s like, what? So she sat there and we came up with the idea to job share. So we job shared, we each got to work part time.

I mean, honestly, I was, I had God’s gift to work when I was, when my kids were little. 

[00:11:38] JoAnn Crohn: But you bring up such an interesting point. And it’s really about the need for daycare because your employer allowed you to be flexible, to accommodate what you needed to do as a mom and what they needed to get you to do at work.

[00:11:55] JoAnn Crohn: So we’re going to get into more of that right after this. Okay. So [00:12:00] you Brie, you Brie started on a job share. 

[00:12:02] Brie Tucker: Yeah. So I started job sharing and I worked 20 hours a week and I loved it. It worked out really great. That meant that I got to have one day at home or actually I got to have two days at home, two days in the office and like one half day that I telecommuted.

So that was actually like really perfect for me. It worked out really great for my coworker. Um, when I did go in the office, my son went to my mom. Um, Okay. Because, to me, that wasn’t daycare. That was him spending time with his grandma. Now, was she 100 percent an unpaid childcare worker? Yes, she was! And I love you, Mom.

I love you endlessly for that. Yeah. But, I wasn’t ready to put him around people I didn’t know. I wasn’t ready for him to pick up the germs from childcare, which is a Thing that happens. Oh, they’re sick every week. Right? Yes. But it’s good and bad. It’s good and bad. So it’s good and bad. Well, flash forward.

I surprisingly had a second kiddo 15 months later and Again was [00:13:00] dealt with that whole I don’t want to be at work. So I worked because I had to But my ideal love was to be home with my kids, um, not to say it didn’t drive me freaking insane when I never had a break and everything, but that really was where I wanted to be.

So I did not go back to work because I was like, I love my career and I want to continue doing this. I went back to we needed the money. Yeah. So my son went to the JCC. When my, when I had my second kiddo, because my mom’s like, I can’t do two. Oh 

[00:13:30] JoAnn Crohn: yeah, no, it’s hard. And so then, yeah. So 

[00:13:32] Brie Tucker: then I had a mix for most of their childhood of them being between a childcare center and being watched by family. Cause again, in my head, childcare with my family was not childcare, even though it was. 

[00:13:43] JoAnn Crohn: Well, I mean, with my son, I knew I was taking time off, but after the first year I found no good mom and I wanted to devote time to that and having time. With your kids. Um, at home when you’re trying to accomplish [00:14:00] something, it’s almost impossible.

Yeah. So he went into daycare three times a week and he, it was amazing facility. It wasn’t the JCC this time just because they didn’t have that kind of option available that I wanted, but it was right next door at bright horizons and they were like daycare from heaven. Oh yeah. 

[00:14:17] Brie Tucker: That was like, that was to me, that was the, I remember taking the kids on a tour there once.

And afterwards, my daughter was like, can we go here? And I was like, Oh honey, we’re not that rich. It is pricey. It was, it would have been too full time for me. That was a lot. 

[00:14:36] JoAnn Crohn: That would have been a lot. Yeah. I mean, but it brings up a really great question because a lot of women do make this decision because of.

[00:14:42] JoAnn Crohn: Price and cost factors. I mean, if you could have what you wanted, you would have stayed home Yeah, not had to go to work And if I would have had what I wanted I would have had full time daycare and I would have gone to work the career I was thinking of anyways in entertainment. That was what I was going for before. I was a teacher I [00:15:00] remember thinking I don’t want to be a mom in this right because I see these executives Coming in at 8 a. m. And then after work, they have to go to dinner and drinks to network and they probably won’t get home till 9 p. m. Every day like they’re working 60 hours a week. I’m like that is not the type of life I want to live and I think that so many women get into that situation where Employers become so flexible and what you have to do to succeed in a profession is just Mind boggling that you see so many women dropping out of the profession instead of leaving their kids full time. 

So I’m like, I would never personally. Put my kids in daycare for that long. Um, although most of them had personal nannies who become part of the family Which is great as well. Yeah, there’s so many options. There’s a lot there There’s a lot there and recently the US Surgeon General put out a report about the stress of parenting Yeah [00:16:00] absent from that report though Is the need for affordable child care options.

[00:16:05] Brie Tucker: Well because he can’t go like, you know, whoa, you’re talking crazy talk there. The U. S. having affordable child care options? What? 

[00:16:15] JoAnn Crohn: Well, I mean, he does go into saying that, uh, we need to invest more in Head Start and Early Head Start and those sort of things, the preschool programs. But we do need to invest 

[00:16:24] Brie Tucker: more, but in order, but the amount of money that would need to be invested in that, JoAnn, to be accessible to the entire population is insane.That’s insane. 

[00:16:31] JoAnn Crohn: It is and doable at the same time because there’s a lot. 

[00:16:36] Brie Tucker: I’m just saying it doesn’t necessarily have to be the, the headstart, early headstart model. 

[00:16:42] JoAnn Crohn: Yeah. 

[00:16:42] Brie Tucker: Oh yeah. There’s a lot of things we could do on the road to that. 

[00:16:47] JoAnn Crohn: I guess the main, my main trigger about the whole daycare thing is that I think that moms are under so much stress and that the idea that you have to pick one or the other in many situations. And you can’t make an option that’s good for both mom and child together. Because as moms, like we haven’t, like, there’s a biological tie to our kids. This has been proven time and time again. Like there’s a biological tie where moms are more apt to hear babies crying because I mean, it’s just like how we were, how we evolved as a species so that we knew to feed the baby.

[00:17:24] JoAnn Crohn: Like you feed the baby when it’s crying. And so you have these like cues. 

[00:17:28] Brie Tucker: Yeah. I was going to say like, we actually have. DNA within us that makes it so that it is physically unappealing to us to have a child crying around us. It, it like stress levels, it brings up the stress levels higher in women than it does in men, higher in moms than it does in the dad when your kid is crying. And that is from Caveman Times to make sure we didn’t abandon those little Buggers that we love and fun 

[00:17:53] JoAnn Crohn: fact many cats can mimic that cry. Oh, yeah, and it like ignite that same [00:18:00] emotion cats 

[00:18:01] Brie Tucker: Okay, so When I was having my kids when they were very little and I was still breastfeeding We had an office in the east valley and it had cats in the ceiling what?

[00:18:12] Brie Tucker: Whenever yes, it was it was they we were I worked for a non profit man. We were lucky shut I mean, we’ll just leave it at that. It was not the safest place. Like I didn’t allow any of my staff to go there after five o’clock. I was like, no, my gosh, you’re out of here before then. Anyways, there were cats in the ceiling. And I remember every time the damn cats would start to cry, I would start leaking there at the office every time. 

[00:18:37] JoAnn Crohn: Oh, you’d start leaking cats in the ceiling. And I think of that one, the office episode, the fire drill, where Angela’s like, save the cat. And she like, yes, that’s it. But 

[00:18:53] Brie Tucker: it was so much fun trying to have that conversation with my main office, explaining to them why they had to get on the phone with the office management team at our remote office, because.Yeah. At least once a day I was having leaking issues due to the fact that there were cats in the ceiling and they were like, there’s a lot to unpack in this phone call. There’s a lot to 

[00:19:11] JoAnn Crohn: unpack of that. Yes. There’s a lot to unpack. Well, right after this, we’re going to get into more of the pros and cons about daycare.So you’ll hear the do’s and don’ts. So we want to hear your opinion on this as well. So DM us at no goat mom on Instagram and tell us what you think. We will, uh, we’ll go after pros and cons right after this. Okay. So Bree, we’ve talked about a lot of the cons already of daycare. We’ve talked about the cost.

[00:19:33] JoAnn Crohn: We’ve talked about the kids getting sick more often. Talked about how hard it is to follow someone else’s schedule. Especially like employers who won’t move your schedule for kids and then daycares who have their strict schedules about how to pay and then finding quality childcare is really hard as well. Like we mentioned our tip about looking for NAEYC accredited institution. That was my hack to find it. Which 

[00:19:58] Brie Tucker: there is a link in the show notes for anybody [00:20:00] that’s going like, what the heck are they talking about? There is a link for that. 

[00:20:02] JoAnn Crohn: Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, the care of the daycare really, really matters.Like I would not have just put my kids anywhere. I wouldn’t. We toured probably like four daycares before we found the one that we were going to use. 

[00:20:15] Brie Tucker: I think, well, again, like from having worked in the field, both of us kind of had an unfair advantage that we knew what to look for. So there’s a couple of key points we’re gonna talk about here real quick on finding quality daycare. Like they talk about how you need to find a warm and welcoming environment. So in other words, if you walk in and you’d feel icky in your stomach, turn around and leave because there’s nothing that that place can tell you that’s going to make you feel comfortable about your child being there. So don’t do it.

[00:20:40] Brie Tucker: There’s no benefit. Okay. Bye. Um, you need to make sure that they have engaging activities, age appropriate toys and activities for kids, social emotional support for the kids. You walk in and they’re screaming at the kids saying, We don’t cry, what are you a sissy? Maybe turn around and leave. That’s not good social emotional support. Oh. Not great. And I’m half joking. And my other career, I did see stuff like that. And I was like, mental note, never go to this child care. Yeah. Yeah. And they have to have like a regular schedule for children. They need to have a consistent schedule and there needs to be clean. I know that that sounds weird, but those are things that, you know, sometimes you’re like, oh, well, you know, it’s a one time thing.

[00:21:20] Brie Tucker: No, no. If it’s not clean when they’re there on a tour, it’s not clean any other time. 

[00:21:27] JoAnn Crohn: Something that I look for is how happy the staff was because you can tell a lot about the place with how happy the providers were. If the providers were unhappy, there is something going on there. They cannot shield that from the kids.

[00:21:39] Brie Tucker: Well, if the providers are unhappy, how much patience are they going to have with your kid? 

[00:21:43] JoAnn Crohn: Yeah. It means the providers, they’re not being treated well at all by either upper management or maybe they’re being asked to do stuff they don’t want to do or asked to do stuff that is unsafe and they’re against, which happens. A lot in, in school [00:22:00] situations and childcare facilities, unfortunately. 

[00:22:02] Brie Tucker: So I have to throw in this last con because it’s a perceived con. And I’m saying it’s perceived. It’s not necessarily true. So a lot of people will also tell you, I don’t want my kid to go to daycare because then they’re going to learn to bite, they’re going to learn to scratch, they’re going to learn to say bad words. I’m not saying that kids don’t pick up things in a social setting. That is true. But studies have shown that that doesn’t necessarily happen. I mean, there has been research, you can find research on any on any perspective that you want to, um, you know, support, but they did do research recently. Oh, gosh, I need to find like the, the link on this one, but researchers looked at data from seven different studies, including more than 10, 000 toddlers and preschoolers across five different countries.

[00:22:48] Brie Tucker: And they found that kids who spent more time in group childcare settings were no more likely. To exhibit aggressive behavior or bad behavior than the kids who weren’t there. So like, I’m going to argue that the whole kids picking up bad behavior doesn’t necessarily happen at a child care. And I know a lot of people believe that, and that might have been your experience, and that is totally fine. But statistically? It’s not a thing. It’s not. It’s 

[00:23:12] JoAnn Crohn: not. Okay. So what are some of the pros? Well, the pros, I feel like, first of all, you get your time back to be you. Yeah. Um, and that is not to be said lightly because it sounds, and even me saying it come out of my mouth, I’m like, oh my gosh, how selfish are you, JoAnn?

[00:23:30] JoAnn Crohn: Like, but that was something I felt so hard as a new parent. Like I felt I didn’t exist anymore that I was just here to make sure that the child. Was taken care of like I felt a blob of myself, too I didn’t even recognize what I wanted anymore. I was so afraid of what she needed I needed my own life back and I needed to actually show my daughter What a life looks like because that’s what I want kids for My husband [00:24:00] and I were talking about this when we first had kids and I never wanted to Be somebody who stayed at home full time with kids. Cause there’s a lot of things like the people who should have kids are the ones who are doing things and can show the kids exactly how things are done. And who also like want to spend time and to teach kids how to do the things. And so I always wanted to be that role model for my daughter to show her exactly.

[00:24:25] JoAnn Crohn: what’s possible. Now fast forward to her being a teenager and she wants nothing to do with what I do whatsoever. But I mean, that’s just teens, honestly. It’s what happens. Actually, she is thinking about being a teacher. She really likes working with kids. So take that. And she doesn’t even know. Another thing we mentioned is socialization. Uh, just being able to be around other kids, being able to like, figure out like, what’s going on. What other people like, you know, practice that prosocial behavior, find issues that might pop up. I mean, there’s a lot of things that childcare providers who are really, really knowledgeable can help you with as a parent.

[00:25:02] JoAnn Crohn: One of those huge things is potty training.

[00:25:05] Brie Tucker: Potty training. It’s a lot easier to deal with potty training when your kid is in childcare full time. I just 

[00:25:12] JoAnn Crohn: gotta tell ya, it’s Some places, like some preschools, require kids to be potty trained before they come in. Yeah. Don’t go for that. 

[00:25:18] Brie Tucker: That’s because that’s a preschool. Not a daycare. Not a daycare. There are differences. But again, if you’re working on potty training and the child care where you’re taking your child works on potty training, that will help you so, so much. Because again, you have that whole social learning aspect of it and you also get a break from it.

[00:25:37] Brie Tucker: Yeah. Another interesting fact, I don’t know if it’s still current, but I know that 10 years ago when I was in the early childhood, it’s the second highest rate of traumatic brain injuries for children was during potty training time. And that was traumatic brain injuries from parents disciplining their child by having accidents, Because it is such a high stress time. It is a high stress time. Of dealing with it, that is the second highest rate. Of brain injuries for children that are in potty training, 

[00:26:09] JoAnn Crohn: but it’s true. It’s horrible. I remember pouring myself a glass of hard cider when I was potty training my daughter and I, I followed my, my, uh, aunt in law, uh, her recommendations about filling her up with juice and double, double stack in the underwear. Just let it go. 

[00:26:26] Brie Tucker: yeah, it’s a lot. I remember that at least like three or four cases. While I was like working with my, what my kids were in that age group of kids that were in our local media in Phoenix that were killed because, I mean killed, like didn’t even just have the traumatic brain injury, died from their traumatic brain injury because of abuse from caregivers during potty training.

So it can be stressful. So I’m just saying it can be stressful. It can’t be overlooked on that end that it helps. 

[00:26:55] JoAnn Crohn: And you know what else? A well, I have to interject here, because a well run daycare knows how to potty train and will not neglect these injuries. Yes! Yes! 

[00:27:05] Brie Tucker: I’m just trying to point out that it’s a stressful time. Oh yeah, it is. Either way, the kids that were hurt by their caregivers, it wasn’t a daycare that hurt them. It was a different caregiver. One was a mom’s boyfriend. Another was, was a dad. And I forget, I think the other one was a, was a mom or a grandparent. So I mean, it happens. I just, anyway, but okay. So back on to another pro for childcare, immunity buildup. So like, yes, it is hard and it’s annoying when they’re getting sick in the very beginning when they’re around all these new germs, but your kid is going to be able to have a much better immune system. That’s just the honest to God truth. 

[00:27:42] JoAnn Crohn: It does happen. It’s like the same as being a teacher. My first year teaching was the most awful health wise. I got sick every other week. And then it’s like, nothing could get me. 

[00:27:52] Brie Tucker: Like even right now, right? Like our kids went back to school and our kids caught this back to school cold because they hadn’t been around people as [00:28:00] much during the summer and then took us both down. It took us down. Man, like it happens.

[00:28:05] Brie Tucker: Another big thing is that kids learn adaptability, right? 

[00:28:08] JoAnn Crohn: Yeah, the whole world does not focus on them. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Which is a big thing. 

[00:28:14] Brie Tucker: Yeah. They learn how to roll with the punches, how to change things up. Childcare gives them the abilities to practice those skills and see success in them. And we’re not saying you can’t do it at home, but they get more opportunities more likely.

[00:28:30] Brie Tucker: When they’re in a childcare setting with these different factors. 

[00:28:34] JoAnn Crohn: So, yeah, I think there are so many dues. I mean, as I said, like my, both of my kids went to daycare. I absolutely loved it. Um, and I loved it too. And they have only great things to say when, you know, cause they, they stayed at the same facility until they moved on from preschool because they did preschool and daycare there and both of them liked where they were at, had a great experience, had great memories.

[00:28:58] JoAnn Crohn: So, so 

[00:29:00] Brie Tucker: Yeah, so like I, I really would love to have you guys leave us some feedback on this episode. Tell us what you thought. Did you put your kids in daycare or did you not put your kids in daycare? Did you like having them in daycare? Did you not like having them in daycare? Are there any pros or cons that we missed?

[00:29:16] Brie Tucker: And then the last message that I know both Joanne and I want everybody to hear us say as crystal clear as possible is that you do what works for you. Putting your kid in daycare or not putting them in daycare is completely fine. There are positives to both aspects and it is okay. You’re not going to break them either way.

[00:29:43] JoAnn Crohn: Because remember, the best mom is a happy mom. So take care of you and we’ll talk to you later.  

[00:30:00] Brie Tucker:Thanks for stopping by.