Podcast Episode 323: The Ultimate Advice for a Happy Life: You Don’t Need Permission Transcripts

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JoAnn Crohn
Welcome to the No Guilt Mom podcast. I am your host Joanne Crone, joined here by the lovely Brie Tucker.

Brie Tucker
Why hello hello buddy, how are you in the deep sexy voice? Hey, I don’t know, it was deep. It’s like I’m trying to think of something to say, like I like a… you know, typecasted.

JoAnn Crohn
I needed something different. That was sexy? I didn’t see. Okay. I don’t know. It was definitely deep.

JoAnn Crohn
I don’t know. I feel like it was one of those big demons that rose from the depths. It was like, Gordor. I don’t know. I don’t know. It could be that. Could be. That was a good one. That’s a good… That could be almost a Batman. Will Arnett does the best Batman. First try.

Brie Tucker
Go! Yeah, that was probably closer to it. I am Batman.

JoAnn Crohn
Brie, you have a future there.

Brie Tucker
Hmm, hurts my throat though.

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah, I totally bet. It’s not as good.

Brie Tucker
Let me hear your Batman. Here we go. Everybody, and then everybody’s gonna review and tell us who did the better Batman.

JoAnn Crohn
It’s gonna be you. I’m Batman. I’m Batman. It sounds like… I’m Batman. I’m… I can’t do that.

Brie Tucker
Back of your throat, girl, come on. There, it kind of sounds like Addy trying to be Batman.

JoAnn Crohn
I can’t do it. Can’t do it. Anyways, anywho, or as Bri likes to say, anyhoosier, all the time, anyhoosier. We’re talking about money today, specifically spending money, because in our personal lives, we realize that we have a really hard time spending money and our partners do not for some reason. Like they have no idea.

Brie Tucker
Yes! Any Hoosier, Any Hoosier.
Right? Right? Like, ugh. I just, can’t. I cry when the money leaves my account.

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah, I always feel all this guilt. I’m like, did I get the best deal? Am I wasting money? Like there’s a lot of waste guilt in my head when I’m spending money. It’s a hard thing to do. So what we’re going to do is we’re going to go through some facts about how men and women spend money, tell you some stories, and maybe you’ll find some similarities between our stories and what may be going on in your life. Then, we’ll give you some tips for action to get rid of this money guilt.

Brie Tucker
Interesting.

JoAnn Crohn
And spending time and money on yourself. So that is the episode for today, and let’s get on with the show.

Brie Tucker
Okay, where did you put your notes? Like, cause I don’t even have… but what about even just the points? Well, what about even just the points of the things that we’re gonna like suggest?

JoAnn Crohn
I’m going to tell you them as a surprise. I didn’t even write those. We’ll make them up. Here we go. I didn’t write those. All I wrote was facts and figures. We’ll make them up. Make them up. Okay. So when we were preparing for this episode, I found some facts and figures about male and female spending because we’ve noticed this difference in our community too, Bri, where a lot of women are so hesitant to spend money on themselves.

Brie Tucker
Okay.

JoAnn Crohn
Like we have this No Guilt Mom retreat coming up, and so many women take their time really making the decision to come because, first, they feel very guilty about taking time away from their family. And I know that internal talk. I’ve had that internal talk when I’ve been trying to go on either a fun girls trip with you and Shana or away to a conference. You’re like, what if my kids need me, or I need to be there because my kids need me? It’s a really hard thing to get across.

Brie Tucker
Or am I being selfish by wanting time by myself? Am I being selfish by not spending this time with my spouse? Like, all of that. I also, slight detour on this conversation, would like all the listeners to know that Joanne has decided to make me record this episode blind. Blind. So I don’t even know what the facts are she’s gonna throw up in here. I know what our stories are, but wow. So you guys.
JoAnn Crohn
Wanted your real-life reaction. You ready? You ready? Okay. So there was a research study done by the consumer research company Deloitte, and they received more than 150,000 responses on this. It was a big one, and it was about splurges. So, like splurging on yourself. And what they found is really fascinating. They found that men are just as likely as women to treat themselves.

Brie Tucker
Yeah, you guys are going to get my real-life reaction. All right, here we go. Mm-hmm.

JoAnn Crohn
In various categories. But what they also found was that the amounts that each considered a splurge was very different, especially when broken down by generation. So millennial men and women—what do you think the difference is there? Do you think there’s a huge difference? No difference?

Brie Tucker
Okay. Yeah, I would say millennial men spend more money on themselves than millennial women. I’ll say that. Yeah.

JoAnn Crohn
Totally right. Totally right. They spent a median amount of $53 on at least one purchase in the last month to treat themselves compared to millennial women, who said they spent $32 during the same timeframe. So that’s almost like twice as much millennial men spent on themselves as millennial women do. Now, what’s interesting is the baby boomer generation. What do you think there with splurging?

Brie Tucker
Okay, this, right. Mom and dad, if you’re listening, I’m not basing this on you. I’m basing this on what I think in general your generation does, which is where the man rules the house. So the man spends whatever money he wants, and the women spend very little compared to the men. But am I on or off?

JoAnn Crohn
They’re actually almost the same. Baby boomer men and baby boomer women spend about the same amount on splurges, but it’s significantly less than millennial men and women do. So, like, baby boomer men spend about $26 median amount, and baby boomer women spend about $23 median amount. So if you’re getting pushback right now from how much you’re spending…

Brie Tucker
Wait, as millennials or? Okay. Really?

JoAnn Crohn
…from your mother-in-law, from your parents. This is why. This is why.

Brie Tucker
Okay, wait, so when was this study done? Was it done like recently? So I guess what I’m hearing is that now they splurge $20… Well, I guess even back then there would have been more of like $20, cause, like, yeah, we’ve had a lot of inflation. So, okay, all right, cool. I see that. I see that, I guess. But I would argue that inflation would change that number, but that’s just me. That’s just me.

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah, it’s… This article is, let’s see, from 2023. This study was done. So it’s a very recent thing.

Brie Tucker
Okay then. All right, well, whatevs. Did they do a Gen X one?

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah, last year. They didn’t mention Gen X in here. They just compared millennials and baby boomers.

Brie Tucker
Okay, the reason I’m asking is, being Gen X right on the cusp there of millennial as well, right? Yeah, my millennial experience was based on what I know from my friends and my own experiences in this generation era. So that’s interesting. That is very interesting to me, because I always assumed that men got that story that they could spend as much money as they wanted to from their dads, but I guess not.

JoAnn Crohn
It is interesting, isn’t it?
No, and here’s another interesting thing about splurging and about what the priorities are in terms of spending. So a recent survey by The Motley Fool found that men are most likely to view saving for a vacation as their top financial goal, followed closely by paying off credit card debt. And women had identical goals as men, but they named debt repayment higher than spending on a vacation.

Brie Tucker
I would say that is exactly how it plays out in my house. That is exactly how it plays out in my house. I forget all the time that my husband has an ongoing account that he has for us to go on vacation. It’s not a big account, but it’s there, and he puts money in it every month, and I put the money into paying off the debt, the credit cards. So that’s interesting. That’s interesting.

JoAnn Crohn
It’s interesting the different priorities too because I think in women, like we’re kind of fed this story that we are supposed to save, we are supposed to not take more than we have. I think that’s a really prevalent story. Like, don’t spend more than you have, or at least maybe it was for me. I mean, I grew up… my dad was really against me getting any loans for college.
He would not allow it. He’s like, no, you do not do that. You don’t want to be in debt. And he also really didn’t like credit cards, which I’m sure, Brie, you see dealing with me today in credit cards in a business. I am the one who has to go in and pay off the credit card every month because I don’t like the balance there, which I’m looking at the date right now and I’m like, shoot, I need to go pay off that credit card. Maybe I did it already.

Brie Tucker
What do I say to you when you do that? What do I say to you? Yeah, yeah. How much space do we have? We’re good, we’re good.

JoAnn Crohn
And I can’t do it. I think, like, so your values about money really depend on how you grew up and the stories that were fed to you. And until you really look to see where those stories came from, that’s the only way you can change how you react to money now. So, like, when I was younger too, I wanted to try basketball. But I would not. And I was tall. I’m tall. I probably would have been pretty good.

Brie Tucker
Yeah, I was gonna say was, pssh, still are.

JoAnn Crohn
What? I’m not the tallest in my family anymore.

Brie Tucker
You cannot! I know what you’re gonna say. Guys out there in podcasts, she’s going to say that she’s not the tallest in her family anymore. But I would like to point out to you, as the tallest member in my family for many generations, that I am still several inches below her. So your family is not a fair gauging point.

JoAnn Crohn
Hey! I feel so tiny.

Brie Tucker
Okay, remind everybody in podcast land how tall you are when you’re not wearing your wedges, which, by the way, guys, she loves to wear all the time. Go on.
JoAnn Crohn
I’m 5’9″. I’m 5’9″.

Brie Tucker
And I’m 5’8″, but I still can never catch up to her. It looks like we’re at least inches apart. She is a tall 5’9″.

JoAnn Crohn
Well, I mean, but my daughter is 6’1″, and my husband is 6’3″, and my son’s only 11, and he’s already 5’5″. I’m going to get dwarfed. I’m going to get totaled. Anyways, regardless of that point—basketball. So I really wanted to try basketball, and I looked at the price of shoes, like serious athletic shoes, and they were over $100. I was looking at

I was looking at this my freshman year of high school. I would not go out and try basketball because I did not want my parents spending that much money on me.

Brie Tucker
I think a lot of us had that mindset though. I think, I want to just tell you, I don’t think you’re totally alone there. I had a lot of things I didn’t do either because I felt like it was too expensive.
The other day at my parents’ house, we had the conversation where my parents asked me… I love this because my parents are getting older and their memory isn’t what it used to be. So they actually asked me the other day when I was over there, “What college did you go to again?” And I’m like, “University of Central Missouri.”
They were like, “Why did you go there?” And I’m like, “Because it was the cheapest in-state school that wasn’t the one my sister went to earlier.” They’re like, “What?” And I’m like, “Yeah, it was 100% because, like you said, I didn’t want my parents to go into debt or take out loans for me to go to college. My sister went to MU for one semester, and it was so ungodly expensive.” Like, I don’t think my parents realized—me being the only kid at home—I heard everything they were saying about, “God, tuition is insane there. How are we going to do this?” So I was like, “Okay, well, Brie’s not going to that school.”

JoAnn Crohn
See, all these things about money, we cement in ourselves from a very young age.
Coming up next, Brie and I are going to tell you some stories about the difference in spending between us and our partners. And that’s right after this.

Brie Tucker
Okay, so I have like a tale of two cities, but at the same time, it’s not. So some examples of what I experienced in my relationships with my spouses—it’s so funny I can say that because I have two. I mean, an ex-spouse and a current spouse.

JoAnn Crohn
With your spouses—yeah, not husbands, not husbands, spouses. Brother husbands, brother husbands. You never hear that term. You hear sister wives. Brother husbands—no, no, that’s too much.

Brie Tucker
So it’s funny. They both tend to do the same thing but on different levels. Like, my first husband—his favorite thing was new tech, new tech, new tech, new tech. So he—I remember one time he bought a 3D television without even telling me. It just showed up at the house, and I called him and was like, “Someone just delivered a TV. What the hell happened?” And he’s like, “I bought a TV.”

JoAnn Crohn
Ha!

Brie Tucker
I’m like, “Are you freaking kidding me? A TV?” And this was like the time where I’m pinching pennies just to pay the electric bill. And I’m like, “What are you doing?” And so it was stuff like that—buy the new phone, the newest and greatest, with all the new gadgets that go along with it. Because it was never just a phone. It was the phone and the charging station and the earphones and all—like, it came in a pack. And that was also never discussed with me.

What was discussed was, “Okay, now you get my old phone.” It was very much set that way, where it was like, “I spend what I want to spend with my extra money, and you can spend what you want to spend with your extra money.”

JoAnn Crohn
But you guys had separate finances, right?

Brie Tucker
Yeah, so there was—yeah, we had separate finances, so that’s how we did that. But then with my lovely husband, who I love so much right now—he will still, like, every day Amazon comes. So it’s like the reverse role because everybody makes fun of the women ordering. No, it’s my husband in this house. Like, every day there’s an Amazon package.

And I’m like, “What the hell is this?” Just out of curiosity, I’m like, “What the hell did you order?” Because we have separate Amazon accounts, so I can’t see what he orders.

JoAnn Crohn
You could share the benefits—share the benefits of Amazon Prime. Saving, Brie, saving—there you go. Getting that value of yours I know so well—saving.

Brie Tucker
Right? Like, I’m the one who keeps pushing for us to get it together, but he is—I think he likes being able to do things on his own without me having any idea what’s ordering.
Like last year, I saw what my kids ordered me for Christmas, and I’m like, “Why did you—” And then I had to pretend like I didn’t see it coming in.
So, anywho, yeah. So they both tend to spend, but—like, my point is what my current husband spends on Amazon is much less than a new TV. But it still happens.
And if I order anything on Amazon that’s not 100% just for me, I will still talk to him about it. And if it’s anything over $30, even if it is just for me, I will still talk to him about it before I do it. Isn’t that weird? His answer is always the same: “Honey, spend your money on whatever you want.” But it just feels like I need the permission. I don’t know why.

JoAnn Crohn
Isn’t that odd? It is odd, because it’s the same for me. Honestly, I knew what I was getting into.
My husband just has very expensive hobbies he’s into. I knew what I was getting into when I married him because we were living together in California. We weren’t married yet—so, like, 22, 23.
My husband has a good job. He’s an engineer. He’s senior-level now. So I was just at home chilling in our apartment in Glendale, California.
All of a sudden, I get a call from him. He’s at a Honda dealership. And he’s like, “Hey, I’m about to sign the papers on this car, and I thought I should let you know.”
I didn’t get any warning. I didn’t get anything whatsoever. That was the first time he had talked to me about this—as soon as he was ready to sign the papers.

Brie Tucker
What was your—and tell us what you said because if you’re in the apartment in Glendale, then that means you guys were married, right? But no kids.

JoAnn Crohn
No, no, we were living together before we got married.
I was like, “Whoa, that’s news.” And he’s like, “Yeah.”
And, I mean, he had a really long commute at the time because we were living in Glendale so we could be close to my job, which did not have flexible hours. His job—he could get in later, avoid rush hour. So he’s living about 60 miles away from work.
And in Los Angeles, it is very common to spend a lot of money on your car because you’re in it so long during the day.

Brie Tucker
So he wanted a good car—he didn’t have a good car?

JoAnn Crohn
He had a fine car. This one was a Honda S2000 convertible two-seater. His previous car was a Toyota Celica with modifications to make it faster, which he had to take off each time he took it to get emission tested and then put back on. That’s my husband.

Brie Tucker
That is so him. I can 100% see that, exactly.

JoAnn Crohn
It’s like, “You can’t tell me what to do with that.” And I am so—like, I love environmental causes, and I’m all about the environment. I drive a total electric. He’s not like that when it comes to cars. Cars are like it for him.
So, yeah, this still persists to this day, where he will get a new car. And the first time I’ll hear about it is he’s like, “Hey, this car is available at the dealership. I’m going to go take a look at it. Do you want to come with me?”
And usually, when I hear that, I’m like, “Okay, we are seconds away from buying a new car.” Because he—well, he doesn’t give me much. Like, he does a lot of research. He does a lot of research. He’s been thinking about this for three, four months. He’s been looking at YouTube videos. He’s been watching all the things. But he doesn’t actually tell me that. He just makes the decision based on all his research, and it comes as a big shock to me, which I’ve gotten used to. It’s just his thing.

Brie Tucker
You’re like, “I’ve got a 30-second lead on this.”

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah. But I’m not like that. I don’t buy the big things. I may look at something big for a while and I’m like, “Do I do it?” And I go and talk to him about it because of how much guilt I feel over purchasing stuff. And I know that, with his thought process, he’s like, “No, you’ve got to buy what makes you happy.” And he’ll talk me out of the guilt and push me towards it.
Which is—like, I’m very happy for that. But I also know that a lot of women don’t have that in a husband. Sometimes their husbands are so restrictive about their spending that—

Brie Tucker
Like my first husband? Like, if I spent any money, I had to clear it with him. Like, if I even wanted us to get takeout, I had to clear it.

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah, that’s crazy.

Brie Tucker
Yeah. My point is it’s unfortunate, but it’s not that uncommon. And yeah, we’re here to tell you, though, that doesn’t have to be the way it is. Doesn’t have to be.

JoAnn Crohn
It doesn’t have to be that way. And so we’re going to get into some tips on how you can increase your spending confidence—I think that’s what we have to call it, spending confidence—right after this.

JoAnn Crohn
Okay, so tips to help you kind of push those spending boundaries. One of my first tips is—this came actually from a podcast guest we had once upon a time. Her name was Denise. Denise, yeah. She wrote the Lucky Bitch series, like Get Rich Lucky Bitch. That was her book. And something she told us that I’ve never forgotten is: If you are only used to, right now, when you splurge on yourself, buying yourself like a Caramel Frappuccino at Starbucks for eight bucks, you are not going to be spending $1,500 on a vacation for yourself anytime soon. Like, it’s going to be too big of a leap. So you have to increase your threshold gradually.

So, like, after the Caramel Frappuccino, what might you buy yourself? Maybe you go buy yourself a really nice pair of underwear, like for $30. Or then maybe you go buy yourself a new jacket for $110. And you just keep going up to make it okay because you will feel like throwing up each time. I know I’ve done this. I bought myself a pair of boots once that were like $400. I felt like—

Brie Tucker
Yeah.

JoAnn Crohn
But then every time I put those boots on, I love them so much. They were like—I just wanted to wear them all the time, everywhere. And that is what you get when you spend money on something quality and something that’ll give you a lot of value and happiness. It’s not the amount; it’s what you get out of it.

Brie Tucker
Well, okay, but I can also say—from a thrifter here—I love, and you know this, like, value is a huge thing to me. And because of that, I love thrifting for things. It’s the best.

However, I have learned that purchasing things that cost more because of the fact that it’s higher quality is worth it in the long run. Take it from the girl that had to buy new Payless shoes every six to eight months because I was wearing those suckers out versus the $80 pair of shoes that still look perfect after spending an entire weekend walking around New York. It does make a difference. You’ve got to, like you said, ease into it to be able to let yourself enjoy that quality.

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah. There is quality. Absolutely.

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah. I found the same with vacations too. Like, the high-cost vacations—like when we went to Rome. My gosh. That was the first time I’d ever spent that amount of money on a vacation for myself. Ever.

Brie Tucker
Yeah, I had never spent any money on a vacation for myself. I don’t know, maybe senior trip was the most I had spent before that.

JoAnn Crohn
And I don’t know—what do you think pushed us over the edge for that? I think, like, first of all, it was after the pandemic where we were like, “We’ve got to get out of this house. We have to.”

Brie Tucker
Mine wasn’t that. No, mine was 100% the fact that it was, first of all, an amazing deal. It was a phenomenal deal. I forget how much it was.

JoAnn Crohn
Right.

Brie Tucker
The deal that our friend Shana found us was airfare, round-trip airfare, included with all of it. And it was still under—wasn’t it under three grand for everything? Maybe even less?

JoAnn Crohn
Mm-hmm. It was. Because nobody wanted to get on a cruise ship. No one wanted to get on it. So we were like, “Yeah, we’ll do it.”

Brie Tucker
But anyway, it was an insane deal. Insane. And I had an incredibly—I still have an incredibly supportive husband that was like, “You’ve never been to Europe in your life. You need to go.” Because we were trying to figure out if he could go too. And then I was like, “But it’s a girls’ trip. Maybe just you and I go, and I don’t go with the girls.” But then we had to figure out what we were going to do with the kids. And he was like, “Just go. I’ve been to Europe. You haven’t.” And that was—

JoAnn Crohn
Mm-hmm.

Brie Tucker
To me, that was amazing. So, yeah.

JoAnn Crohn
It was. And there’s a difference in a girls’ trip than going with your spouse. And you don’t have to do one or the other. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

Brie Tucker
There is. Right. Right, for sure. But yeah, at that point, for me, it had to be separate because my relationship was different than yours. We had only been together for two years, so we were still very much in the honeymoon phase. And I’m like, “So I would have ignored you guys probably the whole trip.”

JoAnn Crohn
I know. We would not have allowed you to do that, honestly. I probably would have stepped in.

Brie Tucker
I can just tell you right now, I would have been a sucky friend on that trip. Yeah. No, it would have been awful. So no, no. But yeah.

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah, so spending money on good memories, especially when you get good deals. And I’ve got to put this in here because, guys, we have a retreat that is amazing. It’s an amazing deal. I mean, Shana found it for us. Shana found it for you. It’s in Cancun, Mexico, an all-inclusive resort, all women. So amazing.

Brie Tucker
Yes. Oh my God, yes!

JoAnn Crohn
It’s adults only. It’s all the beach time you can get, all the pool time you can get. I mean, all-inclusives—you’re laying by the pool, and a waiter comes by and is like, “What can I get you to drink? What can I get you to eat?” It is amazing.

Brie Tucker
I know, right? It’s so nice.

JoAnn Crohn
It’s amazing. And if you’ve never treated yourself like this before, come do it with us. Because we will also have things in place so that if you are feeling guilt, you have me, you have Brie, you have Christina—all of us certified coaches who can help you through it. We’re going to put the link, of course, in the show notes for that. You should come. You should come.

Brie Tucker
Yes, Christina! Yes, all of us. Yeah.

JoAnn Crohn
What else have you found helps you increase your spending confidence, Brie?

Brie Tucker
Doing my research. I guess I would say, like, if I do my research and I see over and over again that this is how much I need to spend for what I want to do, it does make me feel a little more comfortable. Because again, it’s a big deal to Brie that I get the best deal. So if I see that that’s the going cost, I can feel more comfortable. So doing my research does help me feel a little more comfortable about spending money on things.

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah, that does. And it goes right along with that survey where women are more likely to shop as an act versus just getting the purchase done. And so doing your research is actually kind of shopping. It’s like the online researching, making sure you have a great deal kind of experience there.

Overall, I think I have become a lot more ready to spend money on myself and see the benefits that come with it. I mean, right now, I need to get on the MAC website and get more of my red lipstick and some lip liner because every time I do interviews for this Happy Mom Summit we have coming up, I look at my lipstick, and I’m like, “It’s off a little bit right there. I need some liner. I need some liner to make it straight.”

Brie Tucker
Lip liner takes me back to the ’90s, man. Lip liner.

JoAnn Crohn
I know, but it’s needed. It’s needed. It has this fresh look.

Brie Tucker
You know what else, though? When you’re gaining confidence in your spending, you’re able to allow yourself to get the things you need.

You and I both struggle with this—and you did a reel about it a while back because I remember filming it—getting just something you need. For instance, you and I suck at spending money on bras. I need new bras. Like, it’s just the most simple—it is underwear, people! The most simple item that you should be able to spend money on for yourself. And we’re both like, “Eh, it’s only got one hole in it. I can make it work.”

JoAnn Crohn
Mm-hmm. Bras. Yeah.

Brie Tucker
“It’s only a little torn.” I mean, and yet at the same time, we will easily go and buy stuff for our kids, buy a gift for our husband, for our parents, for our friends. But we’ll be walking around with holes in our underwear.

JoAnn Crohn
It’s honestly awesome, like, every time a clothing company sponsors the podcast. So, guys, just a little behind the scenes here in podcast land—when we get companies who sponsor the podcast, we often get some product along with it because they want a really good opinion of it. They want our true opinion and our true stories. Anytime we get, like, a bra company, I’m like, “Yes! I get a new bra!”

Brie Tucker
I know, right? I have to say, I worked at Victoria’s Secret in the ’90s. And back then, that was before they were even just launching Angels. You would get the new product of anything they had that came out. I loved that job. I had the best—the best underwear.

JoAnn Crohn
Yeah.

Brie Tucker
You’re like, “Got a free smoothie,” but I think I’d rather get the free $50 bra and panty set. You gotta do that instead.

JoAnn Crohn
It’s funny. Well, we hope that we have provided a little relatability if you have trouble spending money on yourself, because we do too. Just know that it’s common, and we’re working through it the same as you to make sure that we have what we need and don’t go around with all that holy underwear.

Brie Tucker
Yeah, and we are here to tell you—you don’t have to ask permission. You don’t. You don’t have to ask permission. You’ve got this.

JoAnn Crohn
No, you don’t have to ask permission. In fact, forgiveness is easier to ask for than permission, by the way. It’s easier. It is a lot less anxiety too.

Brie Tucker
If need be. But we don’t want people to have to ask for forgiveness for spending money either. I mean, like, there are some limits. I wouldn’t suggest your husband’s route of going out and buying a new car. However—I forgot to mention—my dad used to do that to my mom, except for it was even better. You want to hear this? He would come home with a new car for her without talking to her. Without even talking to her first! Be like, “I bought you a new car.” And she would be like, “What?”

JoAnn Crohn
So she’d have to be really excited and happy.

Brie Tucker
Right?

JoAnn Crohn
That’s not good. That’s not good.

So remember, the best mom is a happy mom. Take care of you. We’ll talk to you later.

Brie Tucker
Thanks for stopping by.